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		<title>Comment on Why I write what I write by hearabout</title>
		<link>http://bottomupthinking.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/why-i-write-what-i-write/#comment-2513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hearabout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 20:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much (again) for sharing you &#039;bottom&#039; up musings. You truly captuer the &quot;me against the world&quot; feeling that you get &#039;on-ground&#039; sometimes. Not just your friends who have a job in the &#039;city&#039; and look at you strange, or the donors that want correct reporting and a data when you struggle to keep your laptop going with that tiny bit of fuel in the generator, or the community members who don&#039;t show up for that important meeting you organised and then on top of it those officials with their - &quot;What, you cannot pay my daily allowance for leaving the office and actually doing my job.... I am not interested!&quot; attitude... And we still love our jobs. Everyday! At least I do...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much (again) for sharing you &#8216;bottom&#8217; up musings. You truly captuer the &#8220;me against the world&#8221; feeling that you get &#8216;on-ground&#8217; sometimes. Not just your friends who have a job in the &#8216;city&#8217; and look at you strange, or the donors that want correct reporting and a data when you struggle to keep your laptop going with that tiny bit of fuel in the generator, or the community members who don&#8217;t show up for that important meeting you organised and then on top of it those officials with their &#8211; &#8220;What, you cannot pay my daily allowance for leaving the office and actually doing my job&#8230;. I am not interested!&#8221; attitude&#8230; And we still love our jobs. Everyday! At least I do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burying criticism by The 4th HLPEP Meeting &#124; Bali 24-27 March 2013</title>
		<link>http://bottomupthinking.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/burying-criticism/#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The 4th HLPEP Meeting &#124; Bali 24-27 March 2013]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Bottom Up Thinking blog explores whether NGOs bury criticism. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on REDD: a good idea donorised and projectised to death? by Killing cuddly animals and REDD updates &#124; Bottom Up Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Killing cuddly animals and REDD updates &#124; Bottom Up Thinking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 11:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] REDD initiative appears to be the complete opposite of the lack of progress elsewhere, I recently blogged about. Instead REDD in Guyana, and Norwegian support for it seems to have been initiated out of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] REDD initiative appears to be the complete opposite of the lack of progress elsewhere, I recently blogged about. Instead REDD in Guyana, and Norwegian support for it seems to have been initiated out of [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on No killing cuddly animals (even if they&#8217;re not cuddly)! by Killing cuddly animals and REDD updates &#124; Bottom Up Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Killing cuddly animals and REDD updates &#124; Bottom Up Thinking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 11:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blog at the Economist. The potential arguments around this have the potential to make the recent controversy over hunting polar bears a stroll in the park. Just because there are strong arguments why a trading ban will not work, that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog at the Economist. The potential arguments around this have the potential to make the recent controversy over hunting polar bears a stroll in the park. Just because there are strong arguments why a trading ban will not work, that [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s stopping action on climate change? by Contrasting inferences &#124; Bottom Up Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Contrasting inferences &#124; Bottom Up Thinking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#171; What&#8217;s stopping action on climate&#160;change? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Jack of all trades, master of one by hearabout</title>
		<link>http://bottomupthinking.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/jack-of-all-trades-master-of-one/#comment-2465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hearabout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is music to my ears as a historian working as a Project Manager in &quot;Development&quot;... I worked with a lot of engineers in rural Tanzania that wanted to &quot;lift people out of poverty&quot; and apply a &quot;fix&quot; to all the problems. &quot;They don&#039;t have water. Let&#039;s dig a bore hole&quot; without accounting for the myriad social factors that could inhibit such an undertaking (Farmers clash with pastoralists water use) 

Especially as a manager it is imperative to keep oversight and then employ the right type of specialists for the right type of problems. Good post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is music to my ears as a historian working as a Project Manager in &#8220;Development&#8221;&#8230; I worked with a lot of engineers in rural Tanzania that wanted to &#8220;lift people out of poverty&#8221; and apply a &#8220;fix&#8221; to all the problems. &#8220;They don&#8217;t have water. Let&#8217;s dig a bore hole&#8221; without accounting for the myriad social factors that could inhibit such an undertaking (Farmers clash with pastoralists water use) </p>
<p>Especially as a manager it is imperative to keep oversight and then employ the right type of specialists for the right type of problems. Good post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Has OLPC&#8217;s moment arrived? by hearabout</title>
		<link>http://bottomupthinking.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/has-olpcs-moment-arrived/#comment-2464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hearabout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always wondered about the deeper sense of the OLPC initiative. Anyone who&#039;s ever be in a &quot;typical&quot; school in rural Subsaharan Africa could have figured that most times there is no electricity. Next to a lack of toilets, books, transportation, teacher housing and teacher themselves (at least in rural Tanzania and Nigeria a huge problem). 

Computer literacy seems to me the least of Africa&#039;s education problems... #justsaying]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered about the deeper sense of the OLPC initiative. Anyone who&#8217;s ever be in a &#8220;typical&#8221; school in rural Subsaharan Africa could have figured that most times there is no electricity. Next to a lack of toilets, books, transportation, teacher housing and teacher themselves (at least in rural Tanzania and Nigeria a huge problem). </p>
<p>Computer literacy seems to me the least of Africa&#8217;s education problems&#8230; #justsaying</p>
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		<title>Comment on REDD: a good idea donorised and projectised to death? by MJ</title>
		<link>http://bottomupthinking.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/redd-a-good-idea-donorised-and-projectised-to-death/#comment-2463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David you raise some very valid points. Of course donors cannot be held responsible for lack of political interest in recipient countries. Indeed some may even suggest that a certain level of donor investment might be required to generate the political interest. However, I do think REDD is a prime case of strategic focus being obscured by some easy-to-fund displacement activities. The donors have chosen to fund this. Once again they find themselves in something or a mire because they find it so difficult to resist giving money to such things.

The illusion of progress this approach gives can be damaging. Especially if donor fatigue sets in and promising projects are canned with the rest because the overall portfolio performance is so bad.

Overall I would agree: a few more early crosses to tempt the big name striker are probably required. If s/he doesn&#039;t take the bait then punt them in the direction of another striker/country. In the meantime, though, do not forget your defence (base) just because the attack is a bit feeble: a few 0-0 draws can be just the ticket to avoid relegation. Now time to blow the whistle on that particular analogy, I think!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David you raise some very valid points. Of course donors cannot be held responsible for lack of political interest in recipient countries. Indeed some may even suggest that a certain level of donor investment might be required to generate the political interest. However, I do think REDD is a prime case of strategic focus being obscured by some easy-to-fund displacement activities. The donors have chosen to fund this. Once again they find themselves in something or a mire because they find it so difficult to resist giving money to such things.</p>
<p>The illusion of progress this approach gives can be damaging. Especially if donor fatigue sets in and promising projects are canned with the rest because the overall portfolio performance is so bad.</p>
<p>Overall I would agree: a few more early crosses to tempt the big name striker are probably required. If s/he doesn&#8217;t take the bait then punt them in the direction of another striker/country. In the meantime, though, do not forget your defence (base) just because the attack is a bit feeble: a few 0-0 draws can be just the ticket to avoid relegation. Now time to blow the whistle on that particular analogy, I think!</p>
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		<title>Comment on REDD: a good idea donorised and projectised to death? by David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MJ, your analysis is spot on, but I find myself confused as to the attribution of challenges to donor agency. REDD is seriously hard, because embedded in it are requirements of high levels of political will to tackle the problem seriously. Hence, it has not necessarily moved forward, except in countries that have achieved a very high-level commitment to doing something about it.

I&#039;m not clear where it follows from this that REDD&#039;s success or failure is because donors have projectized it. Donor efforts may not have affected REDD greatly at the margins, due to an unwillingness to work on the challenge as an issue of building political coalitions and aligning incentives of powerful actors, rather than just providing small technical expertise - I don&#039;t know enough about its details to comment.

You include a strong criticism of projectization, particularly where those projects emphasize technical assistance for a small and discrete problem that is not well linked into a broader expectation for how change will happen at national scope. Donors may well have therefore wasted much of their effort, working on MRV and social justice in a way that didn&#039;t contribute to building political will. But I remain unconvinced that success or failure of REDD is much determined by donor action. The critique of donors would be more constructive if it didn&#039;t have a sense of &quot;if only they had done differently, everything would be different.&quot; That broader criticism seems to belong more to the political leadership and institutions of countries where REDD has not gotten necessary higher level support, as well as of the global leadership that failed to create a market for carbon credit trading.

Just because &quot;we&quot; (aid industry/donors &amp; NGOs) are working on the problem doesn&#039;t mean that its solution is within our power to achieve. We&#039;re more the right winger or perhaps the nutritionist of the football team than its manager, to use that analogy. Still,you outline what would be an interesting research study - comparative case studies of how donor projects did or didn&#039;t contribute to political will for real commitment to REDD reforms in different countries; there is probably lots of useful learning from it. Might help us get our tactics better next time (say, hitting a few more early crosses against a weaker team, or sorting out our role in the zonal marking against a tougher team).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ, your analysis is spot on, but I find myself confused as to the attribution of challenges to donor agency. REDD is seriously hard, because embedded in it are requirements of high levels of political will to tackle the problem seriously. Hence, it has not necessarily moved forward, except in countries that have achieved a very high-level commitment to doing something about it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not clear where it follows from this that REDD&#8217;s success or failure is because donors have projectized it. Donor efforts may not have affected REDD greatly at the margins, due to an unwillingness to work on the challenge as an issue of building political coalitions and aligning incentives of powerful actors, rather than just providing small technical expertise &#8211; I don&#8217;t know enough about its details to comment.</p>
<p>You include a strong criticism of projectization, particularly where those projects emphasize technical assistance for a small and discrete problem that is not well linked into a broader expectation for how change will happen at national scope. Donors may well have therefore wasted much of their effort, working on MRV and social justice in a way that didn&#8217;t contribute to building political will. But I remain unconvinced that success or failure of REDD is much determined by donor action. The critique of donors would be more constructive if it didn&#8217;t have a sense of &#8220;if only they had done differently, everything would be different.&#8221; That broader criticism seems to belong more to the political leadership and institutions of countries where REDD has not gotten necessary higher level support, as well as of the global leadership that failed to create a market for carbon credit trading.</p>
<p>Just because &#8220;we&#8221; (aid industry/donors &amp; NGOs) are working on the problem doesn&#8217;t mean that its solution is within our power to achieve. We&#8217;re more the right winger or perhaps the nutritionist of the football team than its manager, to use that analogy. Still,you outline what would be an interesting research study &#8211; comparative case studies of how donor projects did or didn&#8217;t contribute to political will for real commitment to REDD reforms in different countries; there is probably lots of useful learning from it. Might help us get our tactics better next time (say, hitting a few more early crosses against a weaker team, or sorting out our role in the zonal marking against a tougher team).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dealing with Criticism by Burying criticism &#124; Bottom Up Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Burying criticism &#124; Bottom Up Thinking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Blattman. Indeed this blog has covered NGO unconstructive responses to criticism before (here and here). I also like the study design which reminds me of those experiments where identical CVs were sent [...]]]></description>
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